Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

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Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by peterb » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:13 pm

This may be the only infraspecific name for the wislizenii clan, and will almost certainly not be recognized by more strict taxonomists. But it's interesting to me that the very long spined form of wislizenii now has a name. This form has often caught my eye in Florence, down through Casa Grande, to the Ajo area. The spines are just fantastic.

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Attached is a pic I took in Florence that is it, I think.

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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by tumamoc » Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:56 pm

Sounds good, and they definitely look different from the usual wislizenii. Does that variety/strain (named after Ajo?) dominate those areas, or is it sporadic?

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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by Tony » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:16 am

Interesting!
I wonder if that is what I have here???
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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by peterb » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:56 am

Interesting plant, Tony. The Czech photos show dark red flowers but flower color is variable on wislizenii anyway.

Greg, the form seems sporadic and intermixed with more standard wislizenii, to me. I'll have to pay closer attention.

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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by cactushobbyman » Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:22 am

Maybe something we have in common? :)
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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by DaveW » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:16 am

If it's sporadic and mixed in with the normal population it is possibly only natural variation and does not deserve a separate name? If it was a discrete population away from the normal one maybe.

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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by Joel143 » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:07 am

Same here. This is my yellow spined wislizenii.....I missed the bloom.
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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by peterb » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:12 pm

Getting more info from Rob Romero and it looks like ajoensis is not only a long spined wiz, but has some other distinct characters. Going to see one this weekend maybe will post pics.

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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by daiv » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:54 pm

Another possible infraspecific name is Ferocactus wislizeni f. flavispinus
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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by promethean_spark » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:29 am

If it blooms at a different time it could be intermingled and a distinct subspecies.

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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by peterb » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:25 pm

I am told the real ajoensis flowers earlier than wislizenii. More info on the way.

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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by promethean_spark » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:21 am

Could this collection be it?
431.96-wislizenii /16/ Waterman Mts, Az, heavy super long sp

Waterman mountains are about 60 miles east of Ajo and 40 miles south of Florence.

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Re: Ferocactus wislizenii ajoensis

Post by peterb » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:47 am

I totally forgot about this thread. Attached are a couple of photos of a confirmed ajoensis, from AZ 86 between Why and Tucson. I have been exploring a whole stretch of similar Feros in Sonora, also, extending the original range significantly south and west. (if the Sonora Feros are indeed ajoensis; jury is still out. As one hears often with cacti: more research needs to be done.)

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