Contest 31: Discussion and related pics

peterb · Post by **peterb** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:48 am

Tony, the habitat shot of engelmannii with C. bigelovii is simply awesome.

Really makes me want to get out into the desert again. Maybe this weekend.

peterb

Andy_CT · Post by **Andy_CT** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:35 pm

I think Tumamoc's is a Coccineus.

peterb · Post by **peterb** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:00 pm

Greg's might also be polyacanthus. Some hints in this direction include the subtle orange shading in the petals (could be photographic, too), the much more fierce spines, and the production of a single flower. I'd love to get a better grasp on the wily ways of this entire group, from trigloch to polyacanthus, but this is the sort of project that is a life's work and could easily drive a person mad.

peterb

Tony · Post by **Tony** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:36 pm

Ya Peterb, that plant was fantastic!

here is another gettin a big bear hug,

Echinocereus is a hard bunch to beat!

TimN · Post by **TimN** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:41 pm

These do have great flowers. I actually had more than one potential entry...

Tony, I almost like the picture you posted with the biglovii here the best!

tumamoc · Post by **tumamoc** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:14 am

Yeah, the Echinocerei are an awesome group. Great theme this time around, Darryl. Such amazing flowers. I know you can't really group cacti based upon flower types alone, but in my humble observations, especially around Arizona, I have noticed that there are three main Echinocerus flower types--the triglochid group (which is what I have entered in this contest, and includes E. coccineus or E. polyacanthus), the engelmannii/fendleri group, and the pectinate group (rigidissimus, chisos, fitchii, etc.). Goodness knows how many other Echinocereus flower groups there are further south into Mexico (E. knippelianus and E. pensilis, for example).

Moonbeam · Post by **Moonbeam** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:03 am

I don't know if I have an Echinocereus or not. Need to check my database.

John C · Post by **John C** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:36 am

Willpower wrote:

Personally I think flowers is cheetin'

I agree! I have never had one flower or seen one flower so I don't have any pictures of them.

peterb · Post by **peterb** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:48 am

Greg, there's also the viridiflorus group, flower-wise. I agree that different "clans" or whatever within the genus have common, very distinct flower characteristics.

peterb

Saguaro123 · Post by **Saguaro123** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:24 am

I have a Echinocereus Hybrid (the one i posted in the other topic), but i am not sure it is the same species as the one I saw at the nursery with the fruit. Do Echinocerei produce fruit that are yellow with white flesh with seeds?

hablu · Post by **hablu** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:40 am

An additional pic to my entry. Was in doubt weather to place this or the one in the contest. On this one the spines on the flowerbuds are so nice.
Harry

Post by **CoronaCactus** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:27 am

Well, I seem to have hit upon a common subject.
I like me some Echinocereus too!

Some really great pics, here and the submission thread. I'm affraid i'd end up posting 100 pics of the *runner ups*... so i will refrain this time

Byron,
All Echinocereus fruit are fleshy, but also heavily spined. Usually green.

Saguaro123 · Post by **Saguaro123** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:33 am

Ok, it's either I picked up the wrong plant or the id's wrong. Here's the topic with the plant I'm talking about

http://www.cactiguide.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10744

Post by **daiv** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:12 pm

Byron,
I see what you did. I think everyone here has slipped with the keyboard the same way at some point or another.

You plant is an Echinopsis not an Echinocereus.

The same slip gets done with Echinocactus.

Anyway, since Echino = spiney - we're stuck with a lot of uses of that prefix.

Post by **CoronaCactus** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:45 pm

Yup, looks much more Echinopsis than Echinocereus. Much more likely to come across an Echinopsis hybrid than Echinocereus.