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Andy_CT



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:15 pm    Post subject: Shallow pots wanted Reply with quote
The past year I've been trying to find wider but shallow clay pots. Can't seem to find any sad Specifically want pots in the 5-7 inch width range but not deep like typical clay pots, even the azalea shape is too deep for some plants.

Hypertufa to the rescue!

I decided to just make my own by finding bowls that are about the right size for molds.

Here's what I used



With the hypertufa slapped on and 48 hours of curing.



Unmolded, I'll have 5 nicely shaped usable pots in a few weeks when they fully dry. Holes will be drilled then.

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Tony



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dude! Great idea!
whats the recipe?
I just had a fellow club board member ask me about how to make pots like that last wednesday.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Everything you ever wanted or don't want to know about it.

http://www.cactiguide.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8344

Only things I didn't like about my write up back then is one: the use of dowels for drain holes, hassle/waste of time. Drill the holes after the piece has fully dried and hardened good. If you drill while its still curing its easy to flake big chips off or even break it. Two: if you elect not to use sand in the mix I found that they are much much more fragile in the unmolding stage, great care is needed, maybe even longer curing time before attempting.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks Andy! Smile

Could pumice be used instead of perlite or vermiculite?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tony wrote:

Could pumice be used instead of perlite or vermiculite?


Sure, I can't imagine it being much different than perlite.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, you can use pumice. It will produce a stronger concrete than either of the other two although also heavier.

Here's one that I think is a vermiculite mix.


Or you can make troughs.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You could try bonsai nurseries, they usually stock shallow pots in a range of sizes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why the interest in the shallow pots, even shorter than azalea pots? Are there some species that need them or do better in them?

Those pots are deeper than azalea pots!

-R
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
lancer99 wrote:
Why the interest in the shallow pots, even shorter than azalea pots? Are there some species that need them or do better in them?


I unpotted a Gymnocalycium where the body had completely filled up the 4" pot, when out of the pot I found the roots where barely using the top 2 inches of soil the rest below was just unused. I take that as a plant needing a wider pot for the body but quite shallow for the roots. My M. elongata seems to be the same way. Its about having a variety of sizes on hand for just such an occasion.

lancer99 wrote:

Those pots are deeper than azalea pots!


lol, No
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm no judge of horseflesh, but the 5" azalea pots I buy at my local garden center are less than 2" deep, and the 6-1/2" inch pots just over.

-R
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
lancer99 wrote:
I'm no judge of horseflesh, but the 5" azalea pots I buy at my local garden center are less than 2" deep, and the 6-1/2" inch pots just over.

-R


The 5" azalea pots around here are 4.75" wide and 3.75" deep. There are shallower "bulb pan" clay pots but they only have 8" or greater (usually 10") on those. So in the 4-6" range there is nothing I've seen around here.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A "standard" azalea pot depth should be 3/4 of the width. A "standard" pot is the same height as the nominal width, although they always look taller to me.

Lots of cacti are wide with very shallow roots, especially the clumpers like some Mammillarias. Azalea pots are good to maybe 4" wide but you don't want to go beyond that 3" depth even if the clump gets wider. Shallower again are "half" pots, actually a little over half, but they're not easy to find. Then it is bowls and dishes.

Or rose pots for taproots Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was doing some repotting this weekend too and had the same problem. Actually, I could have been fine with a "standard" 6inch pot, but was running low.

My brother is in the landscape biz and so I have access to more plastic pots than I know what to do with. The trouble is, they are all "rose pots" as Ian calls them. It occurred to me that I could just do this:



Here is the plant that got this particular pot:


It has shallow roots. The odd shape is because the roots rotted and I had it in a shady spot while it made new roots.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll have to try making pots like you did.

On a side note, I ran out of small pots for seedlings eaerlier this year, so I took regular 3 inch-ish pots and cut them in the middle and had small seedling pots.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
daiv wrote:
It occurred to me that I could just do this:


That pic is kinda scary...thats a place i wouldn't want a knife near!
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