Panoramic view of scree gardens

[Peterthecactusguy]

because I looked at the link above and you had a question mark next to it?

[MJPapay]

Okay - I see.

Thanks for the info!

Now I know what it is.

[Peterthecactusguy]

yup no problem, sorry for the confusion

[MJPapay]

Not your fault I sometimes see through a fog from within.

[hoteidoc]

MJ - I OFTEN see thru the fog within

[majcka]

MJ - I OFTEN see thru the fog within

Not your fault I sometimes see through a fog from within.

Lucky you. I only see fog this days.

[hoteidoc]

Either, if experienced for significant periods of time, put a "restricted" view on Life May all our fogbanks lift

[fanaticactus]

MJ, I am quite astounded that you can have such a garden in North Carolina. How old are some of those cacti & succulents? I would have thought such gardens anywhere out of the Southwest/Midwest region would have proportionately smaller plants. Obviously you are not near Asheville or the western areas. Maybe the cental piedmont area? Your garden is amazing!

[Kurt]

Beautiful !! I live in Danville, Va. (about 2 hrs from Raleigh) and have been collecting winterhardy cacti for 30+ years. My outdoor gardens are a little unkept (got carried away) and I need to downsize. Here's my list but many sedums and related alpines have been lost due to excessive summer heat over the past few years.

Cactus List

I have an unheated/doorless greenhouse (GH) where I start testing for hardiness. Night time temperatures will almost be the same outside the GH as inside but the GH will keep them dry for the winter. Several species do fine in the GH but will die if they have too much moisture during the winter – esp. the South American species.

Acanthocalycium violaceum (GH only, dies outside) (native to South America)


Coryphantha macromeris (GH only, outside damage)


Echinocereus chloranthus (does well outside)
Echinocereus russsanthus (GH only so far)
Echinocereus coccineus (does well outside)
Echinocereus dasyacanthus (does well outside)
Echinocereus engelmannii v. fasciculatus (does well outside)
Echinocereus engelmannii v. bonkerae ( marginal outside)
Echinocereus engelmannii v. variegatus (does well outside)
Echinocereus engelmannii v. chrysocentrus (GH only so far)
Echinocereus enneacanthus (GH only so far)
Echinocereus fendleri ( marginal outside)
Echinocereus fendleri v. rectispinus (does well outside)
Echinocereus fendleri v. kuenzleri (does well outside)
Echinocereus ledingii (does well outside)
Echinocereus pectinatus (GH only so far)
Echinocereus pentalophus (GH only so far – some damage)
Echinocereus reichenbachii (does well outside)
Echinocereus rigidissimus (GH only so far)
Echinocereus stramineus (GH only so far)
Echinocereus triglochidiatus (does well outside)
Echinocereus triglochidiatus v. mojavensis (does well outside)
Echinocereus viridiflorus (does well outside)


Echinomastus erectocentrus (GH only, outside damage)


Epithelantha micromeris (GH only so far)


Escobaria organenesis (does well outside)
Escobaria orcuttii (does well outside)
Escobaria (Neobessya) missouriensis (does well outside)
Escobaria sneedii (does well outside)
Escobaria tuberculosa (does well outside, little damage)
Escobaria leei (does well outside)
Escobaria (Coryphantha) vivipara (does well outside)




Gymnocalycium brunchii (native to South America) (does well outside)
Gymnocalycium calochlorum (native to South America) ( marginal outside)
Gymnocalycium chubutense (native to South America) (does well outside)
Gymnocalycium gibbosum (native to South America) (does well outside)


Leuchtenbergia principis (GH only)


Maihueniopsis atacamensis? (native to South America) ( marginal outside)
Maihueniopsis darwinii (native to South America) ( does relatively well outside)
Maihueniopsis patagonica (native to South America) ( does relatively well outside)
Maihueniopsis poeppgii (native to South America) (does well outside)


Mammillaria grahamii (GH only)
Mammillaria heyderi v. bullingtoniana (does well outside)
Mammillaria meiacantha (does well outside)
Mammillaria viridiflora (GH only)


Notocactus mammulosus (native to South America) (does well outside)


Opuntia acanthocarpa v. major (Cholla, some damage outside)
Opuntia basilaris (does well outside)
Opuntia chlorotica (does well outside)
Opuntia clavata (Cholla, does well outside)
Opuntia compressa (does well outside)
Opuntia cyclodes (does well outside)
Opuntia davisii (Cholla, does well outside)
Opuntia drummondii (tracyi) (does well outside)
Opuntia erinacea v. Columbiana (does well outside)
Opuntia erinacea v. utahensis (does well outside)
Opuntia fragilis (does well outside)
Opuntia imbricate (Cholla, does well outside)
Opuntia kleiniae (Cholla, does well outside)
Opuntia leptocaulis (Cholla, does well outside)
Opuntia lindheimeri v. linguiformis ( also called cow tongue- does well outside)
Opuntia macrorhiza (does well outside)
Opuntia microdisca (native to South America) (marginal outside)
Opuntia nicholii (does well outside)
Opuntia phaeacantha v. discata (does well outside)
Opuntia phaeacantha v. major (does well outside)
Opuntia phaeacantha v. laevis (does well outside)
Opuntia phaeacantha v. phaeacantha (does well outside)
Opuntia polyacantha (does well outside)
Opuntia polyacantha v. hystricina (does well outside)
Opuntia polyacantha v. trichophora (does well outside)
Opuntia rhodantha (does well outside)
Opuntia rutila (does well outside)
Opuntia schottii (marginal outside)
Opuntia spinosior (Cholla, does well outside)
Opuntia stanlyi v. kunzei (Cholla, damaged outside but survives)
Opuntia violacea v. macrocentra (does well outside)
Opuntia violacea v. santa rita (does well outside - ever bloomer)
Opuntia viridiflora (Cholla, does well outside)
Opuntia whipplei (Cholla, does well outside)




Pterocactus tuberosum (native to South America) (marginal outside)
Pterocactus valentinii (native to South America) (GH only so far)

Rebutia brunescens (GH only) (native to South America)


Thelocactus bicolor (probably GH only)


Trichocereus candicans (GH only but will survive 0F if dry in GH – mush by Christmas if outside)
Trichocereus huascha (GH only)

Maybe more not on list

CRASSULACEAE – all listed do well

Crassula peploides


Jovibarba


Orostachys aggregeatus
Orostachys erubescens
Orostachys fimbriatus
Orostachys iwarenge



Rosularia sedoides


Sedum acre
Sedum aizoon
Sedum album
Sedum apoleipon
Sedum bithynicum v. pallidum
Sedum cauticola
Sedum dasyphyllum
Sedum ellacombianum
Sedum gracile
Sedum hakonense
Sedum‘Hidakense’
Sedum hispanicum
Sedum japonicum
Sedum kamtschaticum ' Weihenstephaner Gold'
Sedum lanceolatum
Sedum littoral
Sedum middendorffiaanum ‘Striatum’
Sedum oryzifolium ‘Tiny Form’
Sedum populifolium
Sedum rupestre
Sedum sarmentosum
Sedum sieboldii
Sedum spectabile
Sedum spurium ‘John Creech’
Sedum spurium ‘Fuldaglut’
Sedum tetractinum


Sempervivum varieties





MESEMBRYANTHEUMS – all listed do well

Bergeranthus jamesii

Chasmatophyllum musculinum

Delosperma ashtonii
" cooperii
" nubigenum
" sutherlandii

Hereroa aff. glenensis

Mestoklema tuberosum

Nananthus transvaalensis

Rabiea albipuncta

Ruschia indurata
" pulvinaris
“ hamata

Titanopsis calcarea


OTHER SUCCULENTS
( Agavacae, Liliacae, Nolinaceae)

Agave americana v.protoamericana (marginal, need south wall, significant damage if small)
Agave chrysantha (survives but doesn’t do much)
Agave havardiana (does great)
Agave mckelveyana ( does fairly well)
Agave palmeri (damaged if too cold)
Agave parryi (does fine)
Agave parryi v. huachucensis (does great)
Agave lechuguilla (does great)
Agave neomexicana (does great)
Agave parviflora (does great)
Agave salmiana v. ferox (damaged if too cold)
Agave schottii ( does fairly well)
Agave utahensis (does great)



Dasylirion wheeleri (does great)
Dasylirion texana (does great)

Hesperaloe parviflora (does great)


Manfreda virginica (does great)


Nolina texana (does great)



Yucca baccata (does OK)
Yucca elata (does great)
Yucca filamentosa (does great)
Yucca glauca (does great)
Yucca pallida (does great)
Yucca schottii (does great)
Yucca torreyi (does great)

[majcka]

Beautiful !! I live in Danville, Va. (about 2 hrs from Raleigh) and have been collecting winterhardy cacti for 30+ years. My outdoor gardens are a little unkept (got carried away) and I need to downsize. Here's my list but many sedums and related alpines have been lost due to excessive summer heat over the past few years.

Would you please be so kind to tell what zone that would be where you live?! I have quite some spicies of your list and am still decideing whether to leave them in the GH or move them into the house. Thank you.

[MJPapay]

Kurt - That is a fabulous collection you have! And you've been at it for thirty years!

I've been in the Raleigh area (west of Raleigh actually) for thirteen years now and have this cactus garden for only four years now.

However, many plants moved with me from Apex four years ago, and they had as many as six years under their belts then.

Mostly, though, everything started as pint-sized plants four years ago in so far as the cacti go.

The large, wide, tall (about 18-inches) cacti visible in the main bed are Trichocereus formosus DJF175 & DJF176 from Mesa Garden. Believe it or not, they are only four to six years old from plants no bigger than a tennis ball. I HIGHLY recommend them. Cold, snow, wet, summer heat & humidity, rain, hail, deer - all no problem.

[majcka]

The large, wide, tall (about 18-inches) cacti visible in the main bed are Trichocereus formosus DJF175 & DJF176 from Mesa Garden. Believe it or not, they are only four to six years old from plants no bigger than a tennis ball. I HIGHLY recommend them. Cold, snow, wet, summer heat & humidity, rain, hail, deer - all no problem.

Are you sure????? They must be plastique!

[Kurt]

Beautiful !! I live in Danville, Va. (about 2 hrs from Raleigh) and have been collecting winterhardy cacti for 30+ years. My outdoor gardens are a little unkept (got carried away) and I need to downsize. Here's my list but many sedums and related alpines have been lost due to excessive summer heat over the past few years.

Would you please be so kind to tell what zone that would be where you live?! I have quite some spicies of your list and am still decideing whether to leave them in the GH or move them into the house. Thank you.

Zone 7 but the winters have been very warm for the past 10+ years. During the 1980's and 90's winter temperatures were much colder - single digits every winter as low as -5F (briefly). We haven't gone into the single digits for at least the 10 yrs. Last winter our minimum low was only 17F -and that was brief. Besides low temperatures, moisture is also a real issue. I have several species of South American cacti that have been in my unheated/doorless greenhouse for almost 20 years. They have been frozen solid on several occasions but if I plant them outside, they're mush before Christmas and the temperature never got below the twenties. This is about all I can tell you about my experience. If I listed the plant as doing well outside then you'll probably be OK.

[Kurt]

Kurt - That is a fabulous collection you have! And you've been at it for thirty years!

I've been in the Raleigh area (west of Raleigh actually) for thirteen years now and have this cactus garden for only four years now.

However, many plants moved with me from Apex four years ago, and they had as many as six years under their belts then.

Mostly, though, everything started as pint-sized plants four years ago in so far as the cacti go.

The large, wide, tall (about 18-inches) cacti visible in the main bed are Trichocereus formosus DJF175 & DJF176 from Mesa Garden. Believe it or not, they are only four to six years old from plants no bigger than a tennis ball. I HIGHLY recommend them. Cold, snow, wet, summer heat & humidity, rain, hail, deer - all no problem.

MJ,

I tried T. formosus many years ago and had no luck outside. I have some T.candicans plants that I grew from seeds in 1995 that survived 0F the first winter in my unheated/doorless greenhouse. I still have some of the original plants (small b/c I have them in small pots) and every once in a while I'll try to establish one outdoors but everytime they end up as mush before Christmas gets here - even though the temperature never went below the mid/low twenties. I finally came to the conclusion that the moisture was the culprit.
I really need to work on downsizing b/c the beds are getting to be a lot of trouble to take care of as I have too many Opuntias and Agaves getting out of hand. My beds are kind of unkept compared to what they once were. I basically put about 1 ft of sand on the soil and planted cacti. Some of my plants are growing in soil for all practical purposes.
Do you have a list of the plants that are growing (overwintering) in your outside garden ? I'd love to have a copy if you do. I'm always looking for newbies even though that's the last thing that I need.
I'd love to see your scree gardens sometime. You're welcome to stop by here if you're ever in the neighborhood although my landscaping (if you can call it that) is nothing compared to what you have. I have a bad habit of just sticking things in the ground to see if they will grow.

[MJPapay]

Kurt,

Thank you kindly for the offer to visit.
As you know I'm sure, there are few cactus gardens to see around here, so seeing an established one created by a real enthusiast would be a treat.

And you are welcomed to visit my garden - and I can arrange for you to visit the cactus gardens of a nearby botanical garden that has quite the collection including a whole new section of scree gardens.

And there are a few nurseries nearby that cater to the desert garden enthusiast.

I'll try to figure out how to send you a private message here at CactiGuide so we can discuss my cactus/agave/nolina lists and garden visits (I am hesitant to put too much information out for any and all to see).

Mike