M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

If you have a cactus plant and need help identifying it, this is the place to post it.
Post Reply
User avatar
From0to10in2weeks
Posts: 185
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:45 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by From0to10in2weeks »

Hello,

I presume the first one to be M. elongata cristata.

IMG_6163.jpg
IMG_6163.jpg (233.21 KiB) Viewed 1955 times
IMG_6162.jpg
IMG_6162.jpg (212.75 KiB) Viewed 1955 times

The second one I am not so sure. Is it M. perbella? It has very distinct black central spines in the upper part of the cactus.

IMG_6167.jpg
IMG_6167.jpg (137.05 KiB) Viewed 1955 times
IMG_6166.jpg
IMG_6166.jpg (135.85 KiB) Viewed 1955 times

If someone please could help me with the ID I'd appreciate it.

Thanks. Best.
User avatar
teo
Posts: 1720
Joined: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:30 pm
Location: Lund, South Sweden

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by teo »

I would have called (the second) M. elegans
DaveW
Posts: 7383
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:36 pm
Location: Nottingham, England/UK

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by DaveW »

For the first. Not sure, is that a normal reversion bottom centre of the first picture? If so get a picture of that for identification.
User avatar
From0to10in2weeks
Posts: 185
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:45 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by From0to10in2weeks »

DaveW wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:41 pm For the first. Not sure, is that a normal reversion bottom centre of the first picture? If so get a picture of that for identification.
Hi DaveW, I am unfortunately not sure what you're asking for... Best.
gillinger
Posts: 180
Joined: Mon May 06, 2019 3:49 pm
Location: North Yorkshire, UK

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by gillinger »

Right at the bottom of the picture there's what looks like a pup growing out with a normal crown
"Once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right"
Location: The sunny North of England!
User avatar
From0to10in2weeks
Posts: 185
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:45 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by From0to10in2weeks »

gillinger wrote: Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:00 am Right at the bottom of the picture there's what looks like a pup growing out with a normal crown
Ah, I got it now. Here it is. Thanks.
Attachments
FEC3F8CD-FD94-44D4-A15D-B98FA2C2C26A.jpeg
FEC3F8CD-FD94-44D4-A15D-B98FA2C2C26A.jpeg (329.42 KiB) Viewed 1897 times
DaveW
Posts: 7383
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:36 pm
Location: Nottingham, England/UK

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by DaveW »

Certainly not M. elongta then. With some of the cristates its hard to identify them unless they put out a normal head or growth known as a reversion, meaning its reverting back to the normal form.
User avatar
anttisepp
Posts: 1359
Joined: Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:00 pm
Location: Suomi - Finland

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by anttisepp »

M. parkinsonii cristata
User avatar
From0to10in2weeks
Posts: 185
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:45 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by From0to10in2weeks »

anttisepp wrote: Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:25 pm M. parkinsonii cristata
Thanks for your suggestion!

Best.
User avatar
From0to10in2weeks
Posts: 185
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:45 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by From0to10in2weeks »

I contacted the cacti nursery where I bought this cactus. Their suggestion is Mammillaria geminispina cristata but they also weren't too sure.

Thanks. Best.
User avatar
greenknight
Posts: 4819
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:18 am
Location: SW Washington State zone 8b

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by greenknight »

Maybe Mammillaria hertrichiana?

Suggest you cut off the reverted piece and root it - next Spring would be best - and grow it on until it's more easily identified. You should remove it anyway, to keep it from taking dominance over the crested part.
Spence :mrgreen:
DaveW
Posts: 7383
Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:36 pm
Location: Nottingham, England/UK

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by DaveW »

M. parkinsonii and M. gemnispina are both in the same group of Mammillaria's = Leucocephalae

Check the other species in Series XII (Leucocephalae) of this link as well. You really need to compare your plant against a proper botanical description.

http://www.cactus-art.biz/note-book/Gen ... llaria.htm

When trying to identify plants like Mammillarias it is always handy to check them against similar species in the same group to be certain of your identification.

As Spence says reversions can often grow quicker than the crest if not removed, although they are not always easy to remove.
User avatar
From0to10in2weeks
Posts: 185
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:45 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by From0to10in2weeks »

greenknight wrote: Wed Aug 18, 2021 9:30 pm Suggest you cut off the reverted piece and root it - next Spring would be best - and grow it on until it's more easily identified. You should remove it anyway, to keep it from taking dominance over the crested part.
That's a great suggestion. Thanks!
User avatar
From0to10in2weeks
Posts: 185
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:45 am
Location: Berlin, Germany

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by From0to10in2weeks »

DaveW wrote: Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:11 am When trying to identify plants like Mammillarias it is always handy to check them against similar species in the same group to be certain of your identification.

As Spence says reversions can often grow quicker than the crest if not removed, although they are not always easy to remove.
Hi DaveW,

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I really lack the experience and training to attempt this challenge. And the time. I think the suggestion by Spence is the best solution for me.

Best.
User avatar
greenknight
Posts: 4819
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:18 am
Location: SW Washington State zone 8b

Re: M. elongata cristata? And M. perbella?

Post by greenknight »

DaveW makes a good point that it could be difficult to remove it. If you have trouble getting at the base of it to cut it, you might take a cutting of the crested part first to improve access - a spare plant would be good to have anyway. It looks like the small offset just to the left of the reverted one might be easy to cut, and it would give you clear access to the other. Of course, I can't tell for sure from a photo what the best approach is, but it's an idea to consider.
Spence :mrgreen:
Post Reply