Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:31 pm
Hello. I'm selling this Ariocarpus retusus x agavoides, and I'm unsure if it's variegated or stressed. Thanks for any help!
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Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:32 pm
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 4:38 pm
I don't know any variegated Ariocarpus. It looks stressed. Even more than just being stressed, I would be worried, it could be dying. How long has it been in this state?
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 6:40 pm
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 7:31 pm
I'm not sure. I bought it from a private collector in a batch.
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:36 pm
I would unpot it and check the roots. Is everything below soil level still hard? And are the leaves still attached, they don't wiggle when you gently put some pressure on them?
The Ariocarpus I have seen that looked like this were dead or dying. But in those cases it went from a good looking plant to this visual state in a very short time. Usually it was rotting from the inside, something you could notice quite well if the green leaves can be pulled off easily and / or the roots are soft or even smelly.
The Ariocarpus I have seen that looked like this were dead or dying. But in those cases it went from a good looking plant to this visual state in a very short time. Usually it was rotting from the inside, something you could notice quite well if the green leaves can be pulled off easily and / or the roots are soft or even smelly.
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:50 pm
The plant looks and feels healthy. I just unpotted it and everything feels like it should.
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 9:00 pm
That slight variegation is common on Ariocarpus hybrids, and they are harder to keep clean looking, Miles2Go here in AZ has produced lots of that hybrid, I have a couple of them and look similar to yours.
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2023 10:06 pm
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:51 am
Looks like it may have gotten some sunburn. That does not look like variegated Arios, that I have seen. The consistent placement of the lighter color around the plant, with newer growth not showing that same pattern are the giveaways I notice. Regardless, given the doubt, I’d certainly avoid advertising it as variegated as you search for a buyer.
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:37 am
I can see variegation over new tubercles on your photo, which is called twilight variegation. The twilight variegation is not a true variegation, which is caused by a hybridization stress.
I do not know the intension of original creator but:
Retusus: white flower
Agavoides: red flower
He might want to make a red flowering retusus or a white flowering agavoides.
When you crossed ariocarpus with different flower colours, the occurrence of twilight variegation is higher.
Ariocarpus with twilight variegation is normally weak and the life is shorter. The ariocarpus on your photo lives very well.
The attached photo is a variegated lloydii. Since variegation rate was quite high, it was grafted.
I do not know the intension of original creator but:
Retusus: white flower
Agavoides: red flower
He might want to make a red flowering retusus or a white flowering agavoides.
When you crossed ariocarpus with different flower colours, the occurrence of twilight variegation is higher.
Ariocarpus with twilight variegation is normally weak and the life is shorter. The ariocarpus on your photo lives very well.
The attached photo is a variegated lloydii. Since variegation rate was quite high, it was grafted.
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 10:24 am
There is a red flowering, or more correctly variable flowering population of Ariocarpus retusus from the Aramberri area known as Ariocarpus confusus. It seemingly has more acute pointed tubercles than yours though?
See:-
https://www.llifle.com/Encyclopedia/CAC ... s_confusus
See:-
https://www.llifle.com/Encyclopedia/CAC ... s_confusus
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:01 pm
These are the same hybrid as yours:
https://flic.kr/p/2ohmMc1
https://flic.kr/p/2ohnVHm
https://flic.kr/p/2ohkqsQ
As you can see the variegation is different on each one.
https://flic.kr/p/2ohmMc1
https://flic.kr/p/2ohnVHm
https://flic.kr/p/2ohkqsQ
As you can see the variegation is different on each one.
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:05 pm
Thank you for that information Frank, now I know the correct name for that kind of variegation, and that A lloydii is fantastic!
Re: Trying to figure out if this is variegated or stressed
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:19 am
Woah. Thank you!!Hanazono wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:37 am I can see variegation over new tubercles on your photo, which is called twilight variegation. The twilight variegation is not a true variegation, which is caused by a hybridization stress.
I do not know the intension of original creator but:
Retusus: white flower
Agavoides: red flower
He might want to make a red flowering retusus or a white flowering agavoides.
When you crossed ariocarpus with different flower colours, the occurrence of twilight variegation is higher.
Ariocarpus with twilight variegation is normally weak and the life is shorter. The ariocarpus on your photo lives very well.
The attached photo is a variegated lloydii. Since variegation rate was quite high, it was grafted.