my graft is in danger?

asaf · Post by **asaf** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:25 am

A week ago i grafted a L. williamsii on a myrtillocactus geomatrizans today a small orange spots had appeared on the M. geomatrizans ?

Is it dangerous? and if it is what should i do?

if it would help ill take a picture.

Post by **daiv** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:44 pm

Yes, a picture would be good. Off hand, I'd guess it is the result of water on the plant. If the plant gets wet while in the sun, it can burn the skin leaving the orange spots, I've also seen this happen where the sun may not be directly on it, but if the plant is hot and the water is cold, it makes spots too.

The only other possibility would be some sort of fungus, but M. geometrizans is rarely affected by disease and pests except snails and slugs on the new growth. They seem to be to tough-skined for bugs and fungus.

asaf · Post by **asaf** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:35 pm

here is a pic. the spots are very small as you can see.
it could affect the willamsii too ?

Dominique · Post by **Dominique** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:47 pm

Asaf,
Why grafting lophophora williamsii while it grows very well on its own roots and also flowers abundantly ?

Post by **daiv** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 9:16 pm

Yep, I think those are water spots -being so deep in the pot you can't help but get water on it.

I wouldn't worry too much. Keep an eye on it and post if it gets worse. The L.W. looks quite healthy!

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:00 pm

My understanding is that this plant is illegal in California, but not most other states (but I don't know that). Does anyone know if any members of the genus are legal in CA?

Thanks Mike

tvaughan · Post by **tvaughan** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:43 pm

How are you pressing the scion and stock to each other?

asaf · Post by **asaf** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:59 pm

timv- at first i put two isolierband tapes with sponge on the scion and after 2 days i removed the iso' and put two rubber bands in a + shape with sponge on the scion the rubber bands were very tight.

dominique- i have several LW growing by their own roots , and i saw this little fellow a the mall so i thought that i would be nice to have a grafted LW

daiv - hmm i dont think its a water spots, i havent watered it yet. if it gets worse ill let you know, thanks for your help.

ihc6480 · Post by **ihc6480** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:28 am

My understanding is that this plant is illegal in California, but not most other states (but I don't know that).

Mike, it's my understanding it's illegal in all states.

Dominique · Post by **Dominique** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:00 am

It is also illegal in France and in Italy but it is not illegal in Belgium. In France, the nurseries "officially" no longer propose it. In Italy, it is still on the catalogue of several nurseries ! I am a law abiding citizen, but this time I think it is uncredibly ridiculous. People who want to go on drugs have much easier ways than "eating" their lopho. Also, it is well known that when out of its natural environment it looses most of its hallucinogen properties.

templegatejohn · Post by **templegatejohn** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:41 am

Hi, It is quite legal in England as well. Dominique has made a valid point that out of its natural environment it loses virtually all its potency as a drug, so I am not sure what all the fuss is about.

I have several different forms of Lophophora and many amateur collectors in England specialise in them.

We have a conference on the planet Mars once a year to discuss the merits of these plants.

What a load of old rubbish.

John

asaf · Post by **asaf** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:08 pm

as this topic goes on to the lopho i have a question
i saw some several forms of lopho like fricii,jourdiana,koehresii,decipiens,lutea and some more is it varients? hybrids or what ?

templegatejohn · Post by **templegatejohn** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:34 pm

Hi Asaf,

Most of them are classed by the experts as forms of the same species rather than many different species, but there is lots of current debate about the merits of the individual species.

John

DieTer-Xz · Post by **DieTer-Xz** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:57 pm

About the graft. It looks nice: very healthy and symmetric.
Even for an amateur it is not too difficult to grow L. williamsii on its own roots. I would suggest you give it a shot sometime.
In a lot of books, a professional photographer, but a cactus amateur, gives information about certain species and suggests you graft the plant. Grafting is, in a lot of books, certainly overrated, with some more care, you should be able to keep a lot of species on its own roots.
It's only my first year in the cacti business and I've got on own roots: Aztekium ritteri, Pelecyphora aselliformis and two Lophophora's, so no grafted plants. So I'm a beginner, although I've got these flowering in my first year? The books are wrong in this case.
I'm quite happy that it's legal to keep Lophophora's in Belgium, though, were it not, it certainly wouldn't stop me (probably not smart to state this).
These rules are made by politicians who try to stop the drugs problem, but have no information about the effect of this plant whatsoever.
I think a big difference between the forms is the ability to be self-fertile. Jourdanniana (tested this) has it, the type of williamsii hasn't.

tvaughan · Post by **tvaughan** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:25 pm

I think in California you can claim to practice an Indian religion and keep the thing legally.

But how many species of Lophophora are there that are currently accepted as valid?